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  From: Jont Allen <jba@research.att.com>
  To  : Stephen Rothwell <Stephen.Rothwell@canb.auug.org.au>
  Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 03:07:38 +0000

Re: is there an apm-list mailing list?

Thanks for replying
It seems to me that this is an obvious case of using an alias.
The apm-list could be an important source of user info,
while apmd-list is more user oriented.

My question to apm-list would have been/is the following:
what is the impact of the ACPI standard on linux?
I signed up for a month or so to the ACPI (power-list) email list.
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So I found out that MS and all the manufactures were trying to
work out the bugs in this new standard. The manufactures did not
sound like a happy bunch, in my opinion.

Here is a typical message:
>                 -----Original Message-----
>                 From:   david_christensen@phoenix.com
> [mailto:david_christensen@phoenix.com]
>                 Sent:   Wednesday, August 19, 1998 5:38 PM
>                 To:     power-list@lists.transport.com
>                 Subject:        How EXACTLY does Win98 recognize an ACPI
> BIOS?
> 
>                 I am having some problems getting Win98 to recognize an ACPI
> BIOS.  I have verified that the necessary ACPI tables are present in memory
> (RSD PTR, RSDT, FACP, FACS, DSDT, and BOOT) and that the tables checksum
> correctly.  I have added the Win98 registry key to enable ACPI detection (I
> have added the key to an installed system and reinstalled on a fresh drive
> with SETUP /P J).  I have run the Control Panel/Add New Hardware wizard (but
> the wizard never detects ANY new hardware).  What could I be missing?
> Exactly what steps does Win98 follow to decide if an ACPI BIOS is present?
> 
>                 David Christensen
>                 Phoenix Technologies, Ltd.      
     

My question is, what will be the impact of this once it is worked out.
Is this going to put us at a disadvantage, with a new bios that does
not work with linux? There have already been problems with this new
win98 ACPI bios for the IBM560 series.

APM is very important for laptop function. MS has played a few tricks/games 
in the past. APM is an area where they could really do some serious damage
if they chose to do so.

Maybe a little paranoid,

Jont
                                                                              
Stephen Rothwell wrote:
> 
> Hi Jont,
> 
> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:49:19 +0000
> > From: Jont Allen <jba@research.att.com>
> >
> > I would like to know if there is an apm-list mailing list,
> > and if so, how do I get on it. Namely, I would like a
> > list that deals directly with kernel apm issues, versus
> > this list with deals with apmd issues.
> 
> As far as I know ( and I would hope that I was told if so) there
> is not such mailing list as I fugured the traffic would be to
> low to warrant it.  However, If people this it is worth while,
> I can set up such a list.
> 
> Currently I mainly use linux-laptop@vger.rutgers.edu ot linux-kernel
> when I am fixing bugs that are affecting the mor general kernel.
> 
> Cheers,
> Stephen Rothwell                Stephen.Rothwell@canb.auug.org.au
> http://www.canb.auug.org.au/~sfr/

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